-I’m so happy to have you here.
-Happy to be here. I want to start
by showing a clip for those who are here who maybe
aren’t familiar with your work. You interviewed —
What is he, you said? -A Trump campaign adviser. -Yes, in charge
of re-election, I guess. -Yes.
-And you interviewed him in a way that many have said, “This is the template
for talking to people within the Trump sphere,” and I just want
to show it real quick. Let’s take a look. -He said during the campaign that there’s six to seven
steel facilities that are gonna be opened up.
There are none. U.S. Steel has not announced
any facilities. Why did he say they’ve announced
new facilities? That’s a lie, isn’t it? -No, it isn’t, because there are
a lot of companies opening up. There are steel facilities
that are gonna be opening up. -No, no. Sorry.
Sorry, Steven. That’s not what he said.
I know it’s difficult for you. I know you want
to try and defend him. But let me read the quote
to you. “U.S. Steel just announced that they’re building
six new steel mills.” That’s a very specific claim. U.S. Steel have not announced
six new steel mills. They have said they’ve not
announced six new steel mills. There’s no evidence
of six new steel mills. He just made it up. -The American people
are doing well. -That’s fine. The American people
can be doing well, and the President can be a liar. There’s no contradiction
between those two statements. [ Cheers and applause ]
-So, well done. Do you think — I don’t want to — I don’t want to put you
inside his head, but do you think
he was unexpected for how prepared you were? What do you think
was happening there? -I think so. And to be fair
to Steve Rogers — that’s his name —
he’s a very nice guy and, you know,
good sport about it. But he does Fox News
most of his time. And if he does
do other cable news channels, it’s the same problem
everywhere. Unfortunately, interviewers
on U.S. television tend to have limited time,
limited resources, and just want to keep
moving things along. And when I interview people,
I try not to move along. I don’t want to move on. I want to stick to it
and try and get an answer. That’s my job. -Well, I think one of the things
you did that was so nice is, again, there’s so much
happening in the Trump campaign that, I think, oftentimes,
as an interviewer, you’re caught with, “I want to hit
11 different topics.” You stayed on one thing. -I was like, “The lies.
Let’s go with the lies.” There’s six and a half
thousand of them. I’ll pick three or four. -But, you know,
and that makes it — I think they are hoping
and waiting for you to move onto the next thing. -There’s a bit in the clip,
which you don’t see. He actually says to me
at the end, he goes, “Let’s just move on.
Ask me another question.” [ Laughter ] I’m not gonna do that. And the problem is,
look, most people would move on because it’s — it’s uneasy. It’s not easy to go up and to just keep asking someone
the same question. I don’t like doing it. You have to relentlessly
keep asking the same question, keep asking for answers,
not moving on, getting in people’s face —
That’s rude, right? Seth, you don’t want to be rude
to your guests. -Of course not.
-It’s socially awkward. And we’re taught
not to be like that. Although I’m British, I’m rude and socially awkward
to begin with. So I may have an advantage
over some Americans. -But what are the differences
that you’ve seen in how the U.K. press
and the U.S. press deals with power? -That’s a very good question,
and I think you guys — Definitely,
there’s a cultural issue. You guys had your revolution,
War of Independence. You kicked the Brits out. And yet, weirdly, you’re
more deferential to power, I would argue, than we are. You know, the President
walks into the East Room of the White House, and the White House press corps
stands up, which I find — British journalists,
for all their sins, would not stand up if the Prime Minister
comes into the room. They’d be lucky to even
pay attention sometimes. You guys have this thing
where it’s kind of Banana Republic-esque,
where you allow your politicians to have their
job titles for life. So, do you remember in 2012, it was Governor Romney,
Governor Romney. Governor of what?
His backyard? He hadn’t been governor of
Massachusetts for five years. Secretary Albright,
Secretary Clinton, Mayor Giuliani,
Ambassador Bolton. If anyone here lost their job, they wouldn’t get to keep
the title the next day. Why do you do that? Why do you do that
with your politicians? It’s weird.
I just don’t get it.